H.H. Scott Speakers

[todd.brust]

Well i got these from a local shop, a little upgrade for my room....but i couldn't find any information on these speakers....they are H.H. Scott Speakers i think the model is s-10...that's the only thing on the back of them that appears to be a model number

they sound nice....much better bass than my previous speakers....the highs are alright...i've had better...but overall i like them and was worth the few bucks i haven't had to pay yet :)

any information on these would be appreciated, a link or anything...but heres some pictures

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j301/broosky333/CIMG0061-1.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j301/broosky333/CIMG0062-1.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j301/broosky333/CIMG0063.jpg

[todd.brust]

it wouldn't let me post four pictures so here's the last ones

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j301/broosky333/CIMG0064.jpg

[X-OvrDistortion]

http://emersonscott.stores.yahoo.net/

[95Honda]

Really nice looking older speakers.

You could probably add a super tweeter for really cheap to each cabinet and gain a little top end, let me know and I'll post a schematic and parts list.

Those really look like someone took good care of them over the years.....

[X-OvrDistortion]

What happened to my post.....it disappeared? WTFMate?

[black00]

What happened to my post.....it disappeared? WTFMate?

I just figured it out.........
Anytime a member posts a LINK...
Then it goes into a que for moderators to approve or dis-approve it.
Or will not show the other members.
95honda and myself can see them if we are logged on........and the mark for moderation on it is SMALL........so we were not aware of what the problem was.
I literally JUST figured it out........and maybe now you can see your post with the link Jaime ....tell me..........and 95honda...check into it yo.....

[todd.brust]

Really nice looking older speakers.

You could probably add a super tweeter for really cheap to each cabinet and gain a little top end, let me know and I'll post a schematic and parts list.

Those really look like someone took good care of them over the years.....


if you can find a parts list, and or schematics, that would be awesome....
i ended up going into audio designs Saturday and i asked the owner what the deal was with the Scott's and he told me to take them and i could pay him later...25 bucks is what he had them marked at...i've paid more for worse...lol

but would the be the s-10 model? i assume so

[MikeS]

The H. H. Scott site claims the S10 were 70 bucks a pair. Probably mid to late sixties. Not much else for info.

Made in the day with Theil/Small and the era of two-way bookshelf speakers. (Advent, Marantz Imperial 6, Dynaco A25...etc....)

I'm guessing but more than likely it's just a 6 db type of two-way network, with a cap, inductor and resistor. (Or just the L-pad.)
It may be a higher order network, but I doubt it.

Most the speakers from that era used electrolytic bi-polar capacitors in the crossover networks.
Over the course of time like 35 years or more, these Bi-polar capacitors dry out and more or less turn into glorified resistors.
It may be one reason why the tweeters may sound kind of dead.

Maybe replace the original bi-polar electrolytic with a metalized polypropelene or film and foil of the same value.
It may open the top-end up on them a bit. Maybe clean the L-pad as well

The nice thing about speakers from those days, is they usually have nice finished wood veneer.

[95Honda]

I just figured it out.........
Anytime a member posts a LINK...
Then it goes into a que for moderators to approve or dis-approve it.
Or will not show the other members.
95honda and myself can see them if we are logged on........and the mark for moderation on it is SMALL........so we were not aware of what the problem was.
I literally JUST figured it out........and maybe now you can see your post with the link Jaime ....tell me..........and 95honda...check into it yo.....


Word.....

Hey and did you get my drunk ass leaving a voicemail the other night??? LOL....

[95Honda]

if you can find a parts list, and or schematics, that would be awesome....
i ended up going into audio designs Saturday and i asked the owner what the deal was with the Scott's and he told me to take them and i could pay him later...25 bucks is what he had them marked at...i've paid more for worse...lol

but would the be the s-10 model? i assume so

I also agree with Mike, caps more than likely are toast. Also, that mid/tweeter (or "Squaker" or "Middler" is what they used to be called) probably doesn't have the best top end, especially looking at the size of it (it's big). A nice little $5-10 tweeter with a resistor and filter would probably make them sound alot better. I'll have something for you by this weekend....

[todd.brust]

sweet stuff...i'll look into replacing the capacitors first...if that doesn't help to my satisfaction...i might try replacing the tweeter...but don't rush mike...i got plenty of time

[todd.brust]

well i just looked at the hh scott site and either i have the wrong model number or they have the wrong specs, but it says that the s-10s are a 3 way?!?!?

[black00]

Dipole woofer?

Pull the woofer...

You might find a horn screwed into the back of the motor.

[todd.brust]

hmmm...could be....could that be why the center of the dustcap has mesh looking material?

do you mean more like a duplex configuation instead of dipole like the old altec lansing speakers that had a high frequency driver venting to the front of the cone through the pole piece? dipole is using both the front and back waves like an open baffle iirc.

[todd.brust]

well i took the woofer out, and it is not a 3 way...only a two...no duplex

probably just a misprint of i do not have the s-10 model
lol

[MikeS]

I think it's a typo on the HH Scott website.

[95Honda]

They used to vent the dust caps like that back then to aid in cooling, and a few other reasons, Focal did it alot with thier subs also....

They really didn't use true coaxial drivers (an actual seperate motor for the tweeter) much on home speakers like that back in the day, most likely they would use a "Whizzer" con mounted to the center of the woofer that helped high frequency performance, but this still was driven by the woofer motor, and with the larger voicecoil and heavy cone attached, didn't really act like much of a tweeter, but it helped.

Obviously there were exeptions, a few higher end speakers were true coaxials, but manufacturers really wanted you to see all the different drivers back then, kind of a marketing gimmick. I wasn't uncommon to see 4 and 5 way speakers with 5-7 drivers in each cabinet, placed in all kinds of goofy positions on the baffle, but that is what sold speakers..... They could sound pretty awefull also, I have overhauled a lot of older speakers. Alot of times, I would cut out the baffle and make a new one with alot less drivers, when someone was really content on keeping the original cabinets.... I rebuilt a set of Coral 5-ways in the early 90s for a retired Navy guy, there was more useless shit in those cabinets than you can imagine....

[MikeS]

They used to vent the dust caps like that back then to aid in cooling, and a few other reasons, Focal did it alot with thier subs also....

They really didn't use true coaxial drivers (an actual seperate motor for the tweeter) much on home speakers like that back in the day, most likely they would use a "Whizzer" con mounted to the center of the woofer that helped high frequency performance, but this still was driven by the woofer motor, and with the larger voicecoil and heavy cone attached, didn't really act like much of a tweeter, but it helped.

Obviously there were exeptions, a few higher end speakers were true coaxials, but manufacturers really wanted you to see all the different drivers back then, kind of a marketing gimmick. I wasn't uncommon to see 4 and 5 way speakers with 5-7 drivers in each cabinet, placed in all kinds of goofy positions on the baffle, but that is what sold speakers..... They could sound pretty awefull also, I have overhauled a lot of older speakers. Alot of times, I would cut out the baffle and make a new one with alot less drivers, when someone was really content on keeping the original cabinets.... I rebuilt a set of Coral 5-ways in the early 90s for a retired Navy guy, there was more useless shit in those cabinets than you can imagine....

They called those "Kabuki" speakers.
Now you got me curious as when they became popular....late '60's to early '70's?
Sansui made tons of Kabuki speakers, all the Japanese manufacturers had some form of Kabuki in their lineup in those days. Kenwood, Pioneer, etc...including Coral. I think Coral did OEM work for other manufacturers.

Coral made a lot of of weird and shitty drivers, but the also made the fullrange Beta series drivers.
These are white coned fullrange drivers with whizzer cones. They rate as good if not better than Fostex or Lowther, and go for big bucks.

Dunno if Coral made enclosures for them, or just gave plans to build them with raw driver purchase.

The Japanese must have figured they could sell more speakers if they were jammed packed with 79 cheap drivers. It had to be marketing.....

I think Coaxial is when the driver/motor is in front of the woofer cone, like Altec, Jensen or EV. Dual-Concentric is when the tweeter/driver is mounted behind the woofer, under the dustcap. Like tannoy or B&C. Then again, I could be full of bullshit.

I think the Altec 604 of some form was used in studios for mastering in the day. It's a coaxial, they called it duplex. It has a little multicell horn for the tweeter, like the larger multicell horns Altec made.

Tannoy invented their first dual-concentric, the "Black" in around the 1940's.
Now that's a vintage collector item....

[todd.brust]

the duplex speakers are a pretty neat speaker...the guy at the local hi-fi shop has a pair of them sitting there...damn near mint(he collects vintage coaxials, mostly 15" coaxials)...i've seen cut aways of the duplex speakers and they are a design that i was not familiar with until recently...supposedly they were extensively used in church PA systems...a standard at the time actually....if anyone ever sees a pair sitting around...buy em up, they are worth money...even if they are damaged, he knows where to get replacement everything for them...he was showing me the diaphragm for the horn that mounts on the back...it's a very neat speaker...i just looked at an article about the Tannoy speakers...similar to the altecs...very cool

i just took a look at those corals...definitely look like a good driver....never heard of them however...are they still around?

and the kabuki speakers....i have seen some of Sansui's on ebay a while back and was thinking...what the fuck?!?!?...do they sound good at all? lol


BTW...how do you have all this knowledge about all these old speakers and whatnot?!?

[95Honda]

Mike lives in Spokane, the local Hi-fi shop there just stopped selling the Kabuki speakers last season....

[todd.brust]

ohhhh
that might explain it

[MikeS]

Yup....Spokane is a little behind.....the time-warp cowtown....

I had a couple pair of Sansui Kabuki speakers. SP-2000 and SP-X9 or 9000...some shit....

Now I just have piles of Sansui drivers, in various impedances, barely worthy of flogging on eBay. I could make Super-Kubuki......

[todd.brust]

i say go for it!

super kubukis will be the new hi-fi fad...everyone will want some...maybe
lol

[95Honda]

I would try this tweeter-

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=275-025

If you want to have a very noticable high end lift, run it with just a 2 uf cap in series.

For maybe something a little more subtle, run a 1 uf cap and a 4-6 ohm resistor inseries with it, with the resistor closest to the tweeter.

Mount it right above the tweeter already in the cabinet, as close as you can within reason. I think a 1 1/4" hole is all you need and it will press-fit in...

[todd.brust]

would i just wire it off the incoming signal? i don't really want to have to change the cabinet if nesessary, more so a drop in replace ment

[95Honda]

Yes you would wire it off the incoming signal.

It's an addition, not a replacement. To get a better replacement could be spendy, whatever tweeter you buy would have to be able to go low enough to mate with that woofer, that would be more than twice the cost of adding the supertweeter, even for a cheap tweater. Maybe even like $50+ per tweeter for something decent that will go low..... Cone tweeters are kind of junky and cheap, but they can handle low crossover points well.....

That supertweeter is small enough that it would more than likely fit under the grill off the speaker without being mounted in the cabinet, if so your golden, just use something to attach it to the baffle of grill. You could also mount it on top of the cabinet, it is small, and just feed it from the same point you hook up the speaker wire to the cabinet, and you could use some really small wire if you wanted.

[todd.brust]

sweetness, i'd bet that it would fit right under that grille...i'll have to pick some of those up, along with that tube amp...lol and after this weekend i have to fix my car again! but i think i can spare 15 or 16 dollars

[todd.brust]

i am most likely going to buy the dayton 250v 1uf capacitors, and what wattage resitor would you suggest? 5 ohm 5 watt resistor...would that be suitable for a small upper range improvement?

[95Honda]

5 watt would be fine, you could buy a pair of the 10 watt dayton wirewounds, like a buck each IIRC...

Those Dayton caps also sound fine. You could also use a mylar or poly you scrounged out of some used junk also, 1uf caps are pretty common really...

[todd.brust]

yeah i am about to try to purchase it again...my paypal wasn't working before, i'll just end up buying everything from there...i don't want to take the time to look for anything...lol i get lazy at times...plus i need to buy a few thing...liek the dustcap for my brahma...i've been putting that off for a few weeks here now...

[todd.brust]

okay paypal sucks, and i don't have a credit card anymore...looks like i'll have to wait another week before i can buy anything because paypal has to send something to my adress to verify my residence! then wait for me to send it back! i hate it!

[todd.brust]

what do you know...i finally got those parts...lol and you all probably though i forgot all about this little upgrade(or maybe you all forgot lol) but i am going to get soldering...i got those suggested tweeters with 1uf dayton250v cap and the dayton 5 watt 5ohm resistors...
still haven't gone through and checked the caps in the OG crossover...i might bring them into school here and do it where i have all the tools i need and a little needed space...but i am going to solder those tweets and components up just for a temp thing to see how much top end they add for me :)

[todd.brust]

update already...just got those tweets together...not on the home speakers, but i used them on my speakers at school and they give a very good positive high end lift...very noticable in a good way..can't wait to try them at home :)