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Author Topic: Help, need Mid/midbass driver  (Read 1945 times)
TalNLnky
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« on: January 24, 2008, 02:47:00 pm »

ok... pimping a 08 Toyota Yaris Hatchback now.
Since its a manual I don't think my Koda8/CSS4/audax 3-ways will fit in it without doing some decent modding.... which i don't want to do.

I want to keep it looking stock.

Stock speakers are 6.5's. Would love to find a driver that does near identical performance to the Adire Extremis.

I want as much midbass as I can get up front, and hopefully keep the install a 2-way.

any ideas?
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« on: January 24, 2008, 02:47:00 pm »

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KU40
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2008, 03:10:25 pm »

do you know how much mounting depth you have?

And do you actually fit in that car?  Did you have to take out the front seat and just sit on the back one to drive
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todd.brust
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2008, 04:58:53 pm »

yeah x2 on the mounting depth....

but if you have the mounting depth....these are basically a replacement for the extremis...no idea where to get em but i am sure you can find them
http://audiojunkies.com/blog/890/css-unveils-the-sdx7-at-last-a-replacement-for-the-extremis
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2008, 04:58:53 pm »

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95Honda
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2008, 07:31:05 am »

On a budget, use the Dayton Reference 6s....  They would be no where near the Extremis on the bottom end, but I think they really sound good in car...  And they are in 4 ohm....  I don't think the depth would be much of an issue.  While the Extremis motor is compact, it still sticks out just about as far as a standard motor...

At a higher price, Scanspeak 7".....  They are better quailty than the extremis, and arguably sound better.  But, at the cost of a BIG motor hanging out back...  They may not have the same xmax as an Extremis, but they really are a better all around driver, IMO, for everything BUT a subwoofer.

Also look into some of the Seas 6-7".  Madisound has them at good prices, decent build quality.

My cost no object door components would be Scanspeak 7" paper/carbon fiber and either accuton or Scanspeak tweeters.....  But that could be easily $1k per set when it's all said and done with crossovers.....  

But I have built maybe 10-12 speakers using the 7" Scanspeak with the SD-1 motor, escpecially back in the mid 90's with all the kits my friend Lance had designed based on the Proac response series, and let me tell you, to this day I have not heard a better all around 7" driver than the Scanspeak..
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todd.brust
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2008, 07:41:27 am »

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TalNLnky
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2008, 11:59:27 am »

Quote from: KU40;2985
do you know how much mounting depth you have?

And do you actually fit in that car?  Did you have to take out the front seat and just sit on the back one to drive


6'4", and yes nick... I fit fine, Though I wish the steering column was mounted an inch or two higher... knees stick out a bit wierd.

I don't think mounting depth is much of an issue, but, if I can stick to a Neo motor that would be great. Power windows, so I might have a lil motor in the way. Not sure, haven't cracked open the doors, and don't plan to until the day of the install.



Mike, the Scanspeaks are probably awesome... I know dan designed the extremis to do everything the 8545 could... but in a smaller package. Lil more than I want to spend, but maybe.


I think that prolly is my best bet, do that and just sell all my gear that I have right now.
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X-OvrDistortion
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2008, 07:22:05 pm »

You can get the ID chameleons.  Then you can mount the tweeter in the speaker so you dont have to find a spot for them in the car.
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2008, 07:22:05 pm »

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Robert
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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2008, 09:03:40 am »

6.5" front and rear with 4" mounting depth ability on the 2 door and 6.5" fronts with 6x9 rears on the 4 door. 6x9's having about 5 inche mounting depth.

Im becoming fond of the Focal mids and woofers, but I hate their tweeters. Id probably stick around Mikes suggestions and run active cross overs to save from dealing with making passives. Depends on what you have left I guess and how much you want to spend.
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95Honda
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2008, 10:38:15 am »

You know, I was always weary of active crossovers between the mid/tweeters in car audio, I was always afraid of turn on noise/thumps killing the tweeters and excess hiss, but after hearing those 6" Dayton reference mids and 1" vifa neos, I was honestly stunned at how good they sounded....  And I really like the flexibilty of the level adjustments....  No problems with turn on noise either....

Didn't I get that 2Xs from you Robert?  Damn thing works flawlessly.....  Dad still cranks that system everyday....  I know he does because he asks me if the lights dimming when the bass hits is a bad thing.....  He's got a Red Top in there and all upgraded wiring...  He lets that thing eat all the time....
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haydenlake
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2008, 08:36:46 pm »

Stop being a puss and just open up the doors to find out the mounting depth. Even a derelict like me can take apart a car.

So you're trying to do this without a sub? Personally I'd just figure out my budget and then work from there.

I still haven't seen you climb into that thing, I need to watch that.

later,
b
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todd.brust
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2008, 08:57:32 am »

GO active!  that'd be sweet...i still have yet to attempt doing an active x-over
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alfe
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2008, 08:18:19 pm »

my old lady has a yaris liftback.  I put an alpine type r  10"  and alpine class d in the back.  Have fun getting your power routed through the firewall.  This was easily the most difficult and ironic power wire install.  I ended up having to loom it and run it underneath, along the frame rail.  The durn cab is so small, it makes the furkin sub sound purdy good!
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Robert
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2008, 07:44:45 am »

Quote from: 95Honda;3024
Didn't I get that 2Xs from you Robert?  Damn thing works flawlessly.....  Dad still cranks that system everyday....  I know he does because he asks me if the lights dimming when the bass hits is a bad thing.....  He's got a Red Top in there and all upgraded wiring...  He lets that thing eat all the time....


Good to know.  That was a blow off the dust special out of the back of my buddies shop. He just happened to have one from the previous owners. I powered it up, but didnt test it.


Quote from: alfe;3042
my old lady has a yaris liftback.  I put an alpine type r  10"  and alpine class d in the back.  Have fun getting your power routed through the firewall.  This was easily the most difficult and ironic power wire install.  I ended up having to loom it and run it underneath, along the frame rail.  The durn cab is so small, it makes the furkin sub sound purdy good!


Theres a way through every car, just need a unibit and grommet. Sometimes you have to get creative in location, but theres always a way.
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2008, 07:44:45 am »

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alfe
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2008, 08:14:12 am »

thats what i was hoping to do at first.  With its cab forward design, the dash is what seemed like 2 feet thick.  I poked and prodded to find a good spot to drill on the firewall, but was far from being able to access it from the cab without removing airbags, heating ducts ect.  You think "Yaris?  EASY!"  but that little bastard gave me fits.  Even the steering column boot was inaccessable.  There is a spot under the master cylinder where the factory wire loom goes through, but it is still a pain in the balls to get at.  I explored running it inside the drivers side front quarter panel too.  After becoming way to intimate with this car, i said screw it, and ran it underneath.
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todd.brust
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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2008, 09:50:47 am »

these things work pretty slick for going through grommets...i have one and used to use it whenever i was doing remote starts/stereos

http://www.amazon.com/Thexton-436-Wire-Insertion-Tool/dp/B000P9IGCA

run a coat hanger through the hole in the tool, take the tool out and use the coat hanger to feed the wire through....for bigger power wire, you'll need the put a slit in the grommet to get it all through....but if the grommet is used for running factory wires, make sure angle of the tip is toward the wire to avoid catching and cutting the other wires
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