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Author Topic: Need some advice with heatsinks  (Read 1099 times)
todd.brust
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« on: October 10, 2007, 06:34:50 pm »

i am looking for some heatsinks for an upcoming project i have...making some a gainclone amplifier...something simple to do as my first project...i asked over at SSA and they told me partsexpress and digikey but i couldn't find any at digikey and parts express aren't exactly what i was looking for...i was thinking more like a cage that i could mount heatsinks inside...kind of like the old Dynaco solid state amplifiers...any suggestions?

if all else fails i could just take one of my many empty amplifier cases and built it in there...i have an old orion XTRpro 2400 case...don't know if i could fit the power supply in though...

just let me know with any suggestions
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« on: October 10, 2007, 06:34:50 pm »

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95Honda
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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2007, 09:56:39 pm »

Whatever you do, try not to buy nrew ones, they can be ridiculosly expensive!  I found that out the hard way.

There are plenty of places to find used heatsinks.  The first place I would look is Mendelson's, http://www.meci.com, thier stock varies by week to week, but they almost always have something.  I would do a google search for Surplus Electrical Sales also, I have scrounged many heatsinks from large power supplies and regulators I have bought online and at local electrical surplus stores, most larger cities will have one.

My last big project, my 100 WPC solid state amp build, I removed the heatsinks from some regulator assemblies I bought for $5 each, and each assembly held a pair of large heatsinks, I used 4 on my amp.  BTW, the cost new for those heatsinks from a wholesaler was like $80 each(!) if I would have bought them new.....

Hope this helps...
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X-OvrDistortion
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2007, 03:46:02 am »

I can look to see if I still have any heatsinks in the garage that might interest you.
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2007, 03:46:02 am »

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todd.brust
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2007, 05:45:56 am »

i'll take your word and not buy new...i'll keep a look out on that site for some...

i forgot all about the local hi-fi shop...i should get down there and see if they have any extra laying around i could buy...i am sure the guy does...he's got eevrything!

but X-over that'd be great, if you find anything let me know
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95Honda
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2007, 06:25:33 am »

Everything form the states I shipped gets here tommorrow, I'll also look and see if I have any, I sent alot of crap....
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todd.brust
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2007, 08:31:15 am »

sweet

i was just looking at some of the gainclones people have done...and some are crazy!  some cases look like full productiong high end stuff

i might have a heatsink figured out but it's still only a possibility, still let me know guys...

now i have to figure out the power supply...shouldn't be too hard...i just need to find the right transformer

http://diyaudioprojects.com/Chip/LM3886_CA/LM3886_CA.htm
that is what i am going to start building...there are kits to buy...i still have to figure out what i am doing with it for sure...heatsink and transformer is what i am most concerned about...not sure if i will use two smaller transormers for each mono or use one larger for both

i'll have to start a project log here sometime soon when i actually start building!  it'll be too cold here to work on the car so i move inside Smiley
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95Honda
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2007, 11:48:37 am »

I have a pair of 330VA Avel Lindbergs torroids with 32-0-32 secondaries that will yield around +/-45 to 49VDC after a full wave rectifier and filtering that aren't doing me any good...  I'll ship them if they'll work, honestly, I have never looked at the gain clone and have no idea what the rail voltage they need is....

The UCD kits are real simple if you are looking for a first project, supposedly sound pretty good also...

Can't reccomend a small tube amp enough also as a first project, usually the only thing you hurt when you mess up a tube amp is yourself, they don't burn up so easy like transistors do...
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KU40
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2007, 02:42:05 pm »

maybe you should make your own heat sink.  find a hunk of aluminum or something and mold it into a shape/design you'd like.  that could be fun if you have the tools.
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todd.brust
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2007, 03:35:52 pm »

Quote from: 95Honda;2202
I have a pair of 330VA Avel Lindbergs torroids with 32-0-32 secondaries that will yield around +/-45 to 49VDC after a full wave rectifier and filtering that aren't doing me any good...  I'll ship them if they'll work, honestly, I have never looked at the gain clone and have no idea what the rail voltage they need is....

The UCD kits are real simple if you are looking for a first project, supposedly sound pretty good also...

Can't reccomend a small tube amp enough also as a first project, usually the only thing you hurt when you mess up a tube amp is yourself, they don't burn up so easy like transistors do...


i am set on the gainclone...i considered tubes too but not right now...the high voltages worries me...i can be careless if i am in a hurry(which i shouldn't be) but the gainclone seemed to be a little more up my alley...regarding those transformers, i think that will be too much voltage for those chips to handle... they are rated at 80V max from negative to positive supply...i got a little excited for a bit...thanks though...i'll keep that in mind if i find some other projects that need a transformer like it

Quote from: KU40;2206
maybe you should make your own heat sink.  find a hunk of aluminum or something and mold it into a shape/design you'd like.  that could be fun if you have the tools.


not a bad idea, the idea crossed my mind...i mean my dad does have a full out machine shop...CNCs and all, but a little too much work for me, i might have found a case to use and i'll get some kind of heatsinks to mount in the cases

i have been doing a little more looking and finding a little bit more too
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2007, 01:05:15 am »

Quote from: todd.brust;2209
i am set on the gainclone...i considered tubes too but not right now...the high voltages worries me...i can be careless if i am in a hurry(which i shouldn't be) but the gainclone seemed to be a little more up my alley...regarding those transformers, i think that will be too much voltage for those chips to handle... they are rated at 80V max from negative to positive supply...i got a little excited for a bit...thanks though...i'll keep that in mind if i find some other projects that need a transformer like it


I'm not trying to talk you into building one, but if you are careful and pay heed to high voltages, you can check voltages/bias etc, with a tube amp and not get tagged.

What Mike I think kinda means is with a tube amp circuit, a guy can slip a test lead or probe and not really damage anything. Provided it isn't some insane high voltage, then one shouldn't be probing around in there anyway....or do it in a different manner.
Tubes are tough.

With a solid state state circuit, you have to be really careful when checking voltages, etc...you slip a lead or probe and Poof! There goes your driver circuit up in smoke. And depending how it is coupled to the output circuit, you could smoke that as well.
Transistors don't like to be shorted. And there is enough current in a SS circuit to zap one pretty good.

I dunno if the gain clone power operational amplifier has a internal safety circuit to prevent it from shorts/overvoltage.

This is why a rank amatuer like me sticks with tube circuits, I can get dumb and not really destroy anything.

However, I always wanted to build some sort of Class A SS amp, like a Aleph or something.

Good luck.
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95Honda
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2007, 02:21:59 am »

Exaclty what I was getting at with the tube amp.  Also, they usually work or they don't, and you keep fiddling with them until sound comes out...

I think the Son of Zen would be the ticket for a bulletproof first SS amp build.  1 pair of Fets and like 400 watts worth of resistors.....  You would become intimately fimiliar with the heatsink hunt also... LOL....
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todd.brust
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2007, 07:05:27 am »

i will eventually do some tube building, i just have my mind set on the gainclone, i have been doing a lot of work with op amps in school right now...so it is right up my alley in terms a what is going on in school...i took a look at the Son of Zen amplifier...looks like another doable project, so do some tube projects...lol i have a bunch of stuff i want to do, so stop showing me more! lol i will eventually get to tubes and Transistor and mosfet amplifiers...we'll see how things go with this project first
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