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todd.brust
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« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2008, 06:52:44 pm »

i vote dark...it looks good for speakers...you know 60% of the time it looks good, every time.
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« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2008, 06:52:44 pm »

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todd.brust
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« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2008, 06:53:32 pm »

okay that line worked much better when used in anchorman....i don't know what i was thinking...lol
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« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2008, 11:57:36 pm »

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"Maybe, just maybe I might get a chance to buy the K55 midhorn drivers.
Hopefully I won't have to fight with the wolves over them on eBay.
That would be a break.....'


The deal worked out there....I just paid for one owner, never pushed K55V drivers from a pair of Klipschorns.
Bob found T2A autoformers as well, and will send a few boutique caps if he can.

I should get the stuff next week. I'll probably have to source a couple inductors, but that pretty much completes the project parts-wise.
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« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2008, 11:57:36 pm »

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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2008, 09:49:36 pm »

The bondo looks worse in the pic than it is.....but it's the bottom of the cabinets anyway, and will have the bottom panel over the doghouse.
I'm putting more glue on the inside joints of the doghouse, the old glue looked kinda wanked.

There was a couple stripped out screws on one cabinet for the bottom panel.
Someone went hog wild with a drill and quarter inch bit drilling around the stripped screws, drilling through the bottom panel and almost the bottom of the cabinet itself.

Bondo took care of it.
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« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2008, 07:40:10 pm »

Hey Mike....  been a while since I've been here.

Earlier in what I think is this thread, you referenced ALK's ES networks.

Have you figured out your networks yet on your LaScalas?

Although I will need it in the future, I think I have one of his ES 600's laying around.  I have three of them (and 3 LaScalas but one is empty cabinet)

If you want to hear what this sounds like I could ship it off to you and you can use it for a while.  My empty LaScala is in the garage while I try to (slowly) finish my basement so i'm not going to be needing this xover soon.

No biggie if you don't want to.

This use to belong to Shawn Fogg and if I understand the story correctly, Al made it as a prototype for Shawn so he could run his LaScalas as 2 or 3 ways.  Seems Shawn had some other tweeter on top of them.  To do that, all you have to do is remove a strap on them and I think it's crossed over at 600 hz (I'd have to verify with Al)

BUT...  I then went out and bought what I think is his ES 5800 for the tweeter and combined with the first one, it's operable as a standard 3 way for the LaScalas.

Anyway, if you would like to try it I'd be happy to send it to you. (single unit)

Richard
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« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2008, 12:13:08 pm »

I really appreciate the offer Richard. But if I want to try the ALK ES networks, I'll just pooge up some. Even though the ES networks use a small fortune in passive parts.

When I look at those networks, I kind of wonder if going the active route may be more worthwhile.

I got the K55V drivers, and Bob threw in a pair of some sort of networks for some sort of Klipsch speakers. But they have the T2A autoformers and the 2.4 millihenrie inductors I needed.

I lashed one up the other night, and then last night I cobbled up the DHA22 Albright xover and tried that circuit. I used the other network to lash up the Klipsch type A network, the most primitive network.
I need to source some 500 uH inductors, and I can then try the Bob Crites 4500Hz circuit for the CT-125 tweeters.

I'm using metal polyprops on the DHA22 networks. Bennic/Jantzen for the 39-40 mic spot, and a 3.3 Solen bypassed with a 0.22 uF Northcreek Harmony cap.

The type A networks use a Sprague "Clorinol" 10 uF oil cap, with a 3 uf polyslop for 13 uF. A 2 uF Cornell-Dubilier Dykanol "A" oil cap for the tweeter.
Old school purist PCB oil caps.
It's ok, but I prefer the other DHA22 network. More open and clear.
I'm still cocking around, and should just lash up the other one to get a better overall idea of what the hell I'm trying to do.
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« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2008, 06:42:07 pm »

wow those are some beefy crossovers...

just out of curiosity..what does the autoformer do?  just step up or down the voltage? or isolation?  never seen a transformer used in an xover
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95Honda
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« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2008, 12:22:31 am »

Autoformer is a transformer with only one, multiple tapped winding.  It is used for level/impedance matching, I think mostly level matching in Mike's case....  You'll see alot of them in pro audio and large distribution systems (like malls, stores, airports) to match certain speaker groups or a single speakers to a system, they are very simple and tend to have good Frequency Response also.  They provide very little if not any isolation...
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« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2008, 09:45:41 am »

so the zero point on it is connected to both sides? if so that makes sense about little or no isolation...
what needs to be matched in your schematic mike?
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« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2008, 08:20:36 pm »

The autotransformer is used for level/impedance matching, like Mike said.

The K55V midhorn drivers are 16 ohms, the woofers are 4 ohms, and I think the K77 tweeter is 8 ohms. The Klipsch networks are balancing networks.

The lower ohm woofer in the W bin is used for a higher overall sensitivity to match up better with the midhorn drivers higher impedance as well with the tweeter.
They already have the cap in series for the midhorn before the autoformer, it already has it's set center frequency. The autoformer has 5 taps plus a ground.
Each tap has a set level of attenuation.

Now you would think one could just use different taps to change the midhorn's attenuation if say the horn was hot sounding in a small room or something.
But each tap sets a little different impedance and throws off the center frequency.

The DHA22 network I posted has a 10 ohm resistor bridged across the autoformer's tap 5 to ground. This basically sets the impedance so one can change the taps for different attenuation levels without altering the center frequency.
A must for me in this small room. The horns can really scream.

In somes cases they tap the tweeter off a tap of the autoformer as well, as with the AA network for example.

I've got the other LaScala lashed up and have both going now. I'm using the DHA 22 Albright network posted. I'm using tap 3 instead of 4 off the autoformer, and 5 ohms padded across the tweeter.

These things sound like dogshit with my old SS JVC integrated amp....I had Smashing Pumpkins in the player, and they sounded like a sawsall.
Mabbe it was the CD.....

I hooked them up to my 2A3 SET amp, and all of a sudden they are a whole different speaker...not bad at all for a first take.

At 104 db efficiency, a couple clean watts makes them really boogie, flat boogie.
OTOH, my 2A3 SET amp is a bit more noisier through the 104 db speakers.
A little more growl from the direct AC heating, but not enough to matter much.

I think maybe I'm getting at least 45 Hz or better with them in the corners. I best hooked up a frequency generator and see what it really is.
I hate to say "fast" bass, because I know that thoery doesn't fly. But the clean bass from the W horn makes things seem to sound quick tight and fast.

I'm playing some Front Line Assembly, which is some sort of industrial techno music with lots of synth, and low notes, fast BPM's, blah blah...
They seem to grind right on down, and do it clean.

I'll have to listen to the speakers for a bit now. See if I still like them a couple weeks from now.

I'll have to try my little SE 6BQ5 maggotbox tomorrow night.
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« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2008, 10:43:20 pm »

Sweet.  How much snow there right now?
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« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2008, 05:59:39 pm »

I think winter peaked out around here. I'd say there is still a couple feet out here in Cheneyburg.

It's been thawing out the last five days or so. At one point I think there was a good three and a half to four feet.

Pretty good total amounts, right up with 1993 and maybe more.

195 south of Spokane between Spangle and Rosalia was closed for a couple few days due to drifting.....same with areas out in west plains....pretty much most of southeastern Washington, really.
Highway two westbound from Brooks road to Reardan had been drifted shut a couple times.

With totals of around four feet out in the grainland areas, the wind picked up for about 4-5 days. With around 35-50 mph winds on the plains, it didn't take long to bury the roads. 10-12 foots drift are probably the norm.

On the news, they showed some clown contractor around Medical Lake plowing a county road with a D6 Cat.
Ok......the road is clear, but now the pavement is roached.

Idaho got super-slammed this year with snow, record amounts......they'll still have snow in June.
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