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DanWiggins
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« on: October 18, 2006, 10:21:51 am »

Criss asks:

Hi,

I was wondering which voice coil winding material would be better, Aluminium OR Copper.
considering everything else as same, i.e. magnet assy., Cone, spider, basket, Winding Height & Re.

This Question would be especially for Pro Drivers like 15s & 18s.
Am curious cause most JBL Drivers use Alum winding.

So what would be the Pros & cons, & would alum Winding have a better power compression, for its faster cooling effect.

Regards,
criss.


If you want the highest BL, go with copper because for a given impedance and winding length you get more turns (thinner wire meaning more turns available).

If you want the lowest moving mass, go with CCAW (copper clad aluminum wire; really no one uses pure aluminum wire) and typically gain a bit in efficiency.

Personally for subs - even a lot of pro-sound subs - I like copper because I can get enough flux in the gaps to no be affected by the mass penalty of copper versus aluminum.

For small drivers I prefer CCAW if I need the efficiency.  Otherwise copper again.

Dan Wiggins
Adire Audio®
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« on: October 18, 2006, 10:21:51 am »

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criss
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2006, 07:08:47 pm »

Hi Dan,
Thanks,

What about the power compression with alum wire, would it have a higher power compression, as alum dissipates heat faster than copper.
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DevilDriver
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2006, 07:25:28 pm »

Quote from: criss;1612
Hi Dan,
Thanks,

What about the power compression with alum wire, would it have a higher power compression, as alum dissipates heat faster than copper.

Thermal power compression will be less of an issue, but iirc, BL compression will be more of an issue because there are less turns in the gap (ie. BL drops faster as coil moves out of the gap).

Neil
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2006, 07:25:28 pm »

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criss
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2006, 03:20:10 am »

no no what i meant to ask is

"What about the power compression with alum wire, would it have a higher power compression, as alum dissipates heat faster than copper"
having Winding height & Re being the same, (i.e. Alum wire would be of thicker guage, to get the same Re in same Winding height).
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criss
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2006, 09:47:19 am »

No Reply.........:roll:

Please  "Audio Masters" please reply
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Kyle Richardson
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2006, 11:46:00 am »

I believe Dan is out of town and may not be able to reply for a few days.
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DevilDriver
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2006, 01:54:48 pm »

Aluminum is less conductive and dissipates heat quicker; there will be less thermal power compression.

Keep in mind that thermal power compression is really not a big deal, relatively speaking.  BL linearity is a very large cause of IMD and has empirically proven challenging to improve; this is why XBL^2 has been such a revolution.

Neil
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2006, 01:54:48 pm »

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DanWiggins
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2006, 04:45:40 pm »

OK, I'm still out of town (in Shanghai), but can answer...Smiley

Power compression is simply the DCR of the voice coil increasing due to heating.  Aluminum actually has a LOWER temperature coefficient than copper, meaning it changes less as you heat it than copper.  So it's a bit better in terms of power compression.

Power compression, overall though, isn't a big issue from a distortion standpoint.  Essentially it increases the DCR of the system, meaning that the entire efficency curve drops.  It's like turning the volume down a notch on the system.  It's a linear effect.

As Neil posted, the BL compression is a BIG problem.  You can think of this as a compression that INCREASES as you move away from the center.  It's independent of power, independent of thermal issues, and happens EVERY CYCLE.  Power compression can take time to start happening; BL compression is immediate!

Overall, though, the compression differences between Al and Cu are so small that I would consider them insignificant.  We're talking a tenth or two dBs in differences when both are run hard into compression.  Not a big difference at all; certainly not one worth considering.

The big thing with Al is just it's mass; if you want the lowest mass, go Al.  If you want maximum BL and packing density, go with Cu.  Choose between the two based upon the tradeoffs of efficiency and BL that you need.

Dan Wiggins
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